Episode #21 – Serenity Now, Moral PvP Ambiguity Later

Serenity Now

It’s Friday and time for a World of Warcraft vanilla history lesson with Countdown To Classic.

Listen in as we break down the facts and moral arguments behind one of the most infamous player driven events of all time with not only World of Warcraft, but MMORPG’s in general, with the Serenity Now funeral gate crashing incident.

Join Josh as he argues for both the saints and the sinners in the argument about what was right and what was wrong in this circumstance.

Highlights Below:

  • A Scoop Of Vanilla – 1:35
  • That’s What We Said – 18:20
  • Anger Management – 50:10
  • Memory Lane – 52:30
  • Clean Up, Shout Outs & Show News – 58:15


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2 thoughts on “Episode #21 – Serenity Now, Moral PvP Ambiguity Later”

  1. Hi Josh,
    I wanted to say great show – thanks to you, I have something that can hold me over until Classic comes out.
    I had a few things I wanted to share about this topic (sorry for such a late response, but I decided to go back to the beginning and listen to all of your podcasts one by one, so this is how far I’ve made it so far).
    First of all, there was a video I came across a long time ago that discussed Classic WoW way before there were talks of Classic WoW – I think you should watch it because toward the end this person gives details of the funeral which made this incident all the more brilliant. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blM8qT2CRK0
    Second of all, I found it odd that you did not mention of the fact that Azshira toward the end of the video came up to the dead Fayjin’s body, did a “/bow”, and said “she loved fishing… and snow… and PvP”. While it doesn’t excuse the entire scenario, but it does add some respect. To me, it seemed like a kind of respectful rivalry – things would have been different if there was a /spit involved, but quite honestly, about a handful of people would even remember who Fayjin was, and now her name is immortal thanks to the actions of Serenity Now. I may be different, but if a funeral was held for me in WoW, I would HOPE that it would trigger some infamous battle from a rivalry – otherwise it would have been just another funeral of just another person – I don’t want to be just another person. The worst thing I can think of coming from my death would be a scenario where at the mention of my name people who go “who?” and fail to even remember me. She now holds significance in countless people’s memories – far better than being an insignificant, nameless, forgotten player. If she truly DID love PvP, then she would have loved this incident. But that’s just my opinion on it.

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    1. Hey Peter,

      Thanks for listening and for the kind words. You’re right, I was totally remiss to leave out that part, would have been an interesting addition. I may touch on it later. I do find it interesting because I think there are two interpretations there too – was the bow and statement out of respect or a bit of cheeky sarcasm? I wouldn’t think there’s anything overly malicious there but the argument could be made!


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